[3x16] It's Not Easy Being Green Spoilers

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Re: [3x16] It's Not Easy Being Green

Postby eleruen » Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:07 am

Yes, Regina crashing through the window reminded me of that clock tower scene, as well.
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Re: [3x16] It's Not Easy Being Green

Postby HappyEndings » Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:23 am

This is very interesting: http://oncecrazy.tumblr.com/post/814092 ... walsh-blue

http://oncecrazy.tumblr.com/post/814092 ... walsh-blue

Blue, Black Fairy, and Zelena

The Blue Fairy’s background has driven me crazy for a long time now. Every single character has a back story except for her. With the introduction of Oz, I suddenly had a whole bunch of light bulbs go off in my head, but there were still missing pieces that didn’t make sense. I decided to try to find out more information on “The Black Fairy” that has been mentioned on Once, and came across some startling information:

The first known mention of the black fairy was in 1566, during an interview in which a man named-wait for it-John WALSH, who was being accused of Witchcraft. He confessed that:

- He uses the fairies, (found in fairy mounds and invoked at noon or midnight) to aid him in his work. He warns that there are “iii. kindes of Feries, white, greene, & black,” but that “the blacke Feries be the woorst.” (Zelena tells Regina to meet her on main street at “midnight.”)

-Confesses to keeping a familiar that belonged to his Master, Robert Draitons. The familiar would appear to Walsh in the forms of a culver (pigeon), a dog, and a man with cloven feet. Evidently the familiar does not appear to Walsh anymore. He also confessed that his first form of payment to his familiar was a drop of blood. After this time he would give his familiar two living creatures once a year as payment; the creatures included a chicken, a cat, and a dog. (A drop of blood. Just like the flying monkey Walsh took from Regina. Just like Zelena took from Rumpel to open his safe.)

Another account says: He admitted to having his master’s familiar in the shape of a dog, man, etc. for a few years, he gave it a drop of his blood, he said they have no purpose but retrieving stolen items, he could make men and women sick by making wax figurines of them, also had a ceremony that could kill people he wished, said he never used them however. (Retrieving items like Zelena retrieved Charming’s sword?)

-John Walsh confesses to using frankincense, Saint John’s wort, and burning candles to call upon his familiar, which he instructs to send messages and return at an appointed hour. (Remember the candle that Cora disguised as Blue gave to whisper a name to trade one life for another? Yeah. Also, we now have Lumiere.)

-John Walsh confesses to using one of his Masters books and two wax candles to call familiar spirits to him; Walsh would ask the spirits questions, and gather information on bewitched people. (And we’re back to the candle and Lumiere.)

-John Walsh describes how to make wax pictures, pictures of clay, and a toad in order to cause harm to people. The wax pictures would make a person sick for two years, while the clay pictures would kill a person within nine days. The clay pictures were made with the earth of a new grave, the rib bone of a burned man or woman, a black spider, and the pith of an elder tree, with everything being tempered in water.

-John Walsh confesses to practicing physic and surgery for the five years since his master Robert Dreiton died. (Possible relation to Whale?)

-So from all of that, I think it’s safe to conclude that Walsh is the Wizard. The fairies have a connection to the Wizard and Oz. Is it possible that Walsh the one really calling the shots? Or could he be following Zelena around in monkey form so she doesn’t know he’s the wizard because he has his own agenda? Did she return from training with Rumple and turn him into a monkey to make him her slave?


Coincidence or not, the woman who continued writing Oz books after Baum’s death was named “Ruth” just like Charming’s mother
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-In continuing my research of Oz I came across this little gem:

Abatha the Good Witch of the East is the title character in Eric Shanower’s graphic novel, The Blue Witch of Oz. She fell under a spell during a custody battle with her brother-in-law over custody of her son. The spell causes her to be frozen in time. (Abatha means “three” in Zulu, I’m not sure what the significance of that could be, but maybe one of you will?)

I’m literally laughing out loud right now. Why you ask? I had noticed that the Blue fairy only helps children. She helped Archie because she wanted him to be able to help a young Geppetto. She gave Baelfire the last bean so that he could escape dark magic with his father. She helped turn Pinocchio into a real boy, then helped him escape in the wardrobe, and later turned adult August back into little boy Pinocchio. When Cora impersonated her, it was to go to young Snow. Blue also shared the information of the wardrobe to save baby Emma. I had been speculating that the loss of a child was what caused some of her bitterness, as well as the desire to help children. And she’s clearly frozen in time. However, I’m not coming up with much in terms of who her child would be. Maybe an adopted child?

I’m guessing you “become” a fairy, and you aren’t born as one. The fairies clearly aren’t allowed to have relationships, so they aren’t exactly reproducing. Unless the tulips are “birthing” the fairies, I’m guessing you have to join the ranks of fairy like nuns would have to join a convent. You’d have to give up everything. And in this sense Blue shields herself from a relationship and never having to go through the loss of losing another child. We also see that the Blue Fairy never makes herself normal size like the other fairies do. The only time she puts her wings away is when she’s in the clouds with Nova.

Remember when young Bae makes a wish and Blue appears. After a few seconds she gets a worried look on her face because she can tell the child has already been exposed to dark magic. When Tinkerbell wants to help Regina, Blue flips out on her. Clearly Blue did NOT have a pleasant experience with dark magic.

If Blue was from Oz, and the Wizard was into dark magic, that could be the link to Blue having such issues with it.

The final piece of the puzzle I’m trying to solve, is that through numerous interviews we know that the Wicked Witch has more of an international/global agenda. What exactly does that mean? Is it a whole new meaning to “going green?” or is she after multiple people in multiple realms? Or is Walsh that really has the global agenda and is using Zelena to accomplish it? Could Walsh be the Blue Fairy’s son whom she lost to dark magic? Could Walsh be her brother and law that took custody of her son away? What role does Glinda play in all of this? :egad:

My mind is racing with questions, but I have a very good feeling we will know on Sunday, as both the Blue Fairy and Walsh will be back, and we will see Zelena and the wizard in Oz, and her leaving to train with the Dark One.
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Re: [3x16] It's Not Easy Being Green

Postby The Wiz of Oz » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:51 am

Thanks for the Once Upon a Time scoop, but what's coming up for Zelena? — Meredith
Once has been promising the Wicked vs. Evil battle for a while now, huh? Well, it's finally going to happen! "This week is the showdown," executive producer Edward Kitsis says. "We will find out why the witch is green and what she really wants." Oz-some!


http://www.tvguide.com/News/Mega-Buzz-SHIELD-Revolution-Mad-Men-Spoilers-1079951.aspx
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Re: [3x16] It's Not Easy Being Green

Postby eleruen » Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:52 pm

I have been saying it for weeks but i will say it again: greenie better keep her hands off henry or robin, because them being hurt or in danger, or wwow doing something to distract tobin from regina would break her heart...and thats exactly what greenie wants- to make her suffer and use those she loves as her heart totem, i think. Another totem could be the crypt, but i have a feeling she will choose a far more sinister and damaging totem.

Goodness, i am biased. she keep her hands off everyone, especially that new born.

I wonder if this war will last beyond this season?
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Re: [3x16] It's Not Easy Being Green

Postby BoPeeps » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:21 pm

Interesting link Happy Endings. Thanks for finding it.



My gut feeling is that A&E aren't nearly as deep and intricate in their plotting as the fandom. They have some intriguing connections to their personal fan favorite histories and tie ins, but other than more surface research for name connections/coincidences or subtle heads up to past shows, they aren't consistently attached to in depth analysis.

I'm fairly sure I won't agree with whoever Walsh is (HA) and my hope is that the Wizard isn't blood related to Henry, Regina, Zelena, Blue Fairy etc in any way! These bloodlines are getting creepily wonky.

I'd feel more threatened by Zelena, eleruen, if, to me, she didn't look so dayam goofy as a greenie and have a voice like Nicole Kidman...and the speed with which A&E zip through story lines makes me think this war won't be more than a week long, Storybrooke time.

(I have lost track, is this the episode where Henry drives the run-a-way truck??)
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Re: [3x16] It's Not Easy Being Green

Postby Montreat11 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:00 pm

Wait, is Walsh going to appear more? Do we know for sure or not? I know the actor was seen on set but I thought he was just visiting.
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Postby HappyEndings » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:12 pm

Montreat11 wrote:Wait, is Walsh going to appear more? Do we know for sure or not? I know the actor was seen on set but I thought he was just visiting.


He was in the press release
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Postby Montreat11 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:27 pm

Yay! Thanks for pointing that out to me. Auggie makes me smile.
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Re: [3x16] It's Not Easy Being Green

Postby ladymoiraine » Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:03 pm

At first, when i saw the title (because I don't follow ouat), i thought it was a kind of joke about Green our admin and then I understood it's zelena (green) but anyway I had a good laugh.
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Re: [3x16] It's Not Easy Being Green

Postby Montreat11 » Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:36 pm

Oh man! I love the parrallel there to the first episode. Regina's conversation to Snow and Charming is identical to Zelena's. I LOVE that!
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Re: [3x16] It's Not Easy Being Green

Postby Her Mayorness » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:02 am

Haha, what did I say. I knew Zelena would deliver a similar speech to Regina. I'd only thought they'd repeat the wedding scene, but this is even better.

Regina is so going to be beaten up. For the moment.
Zelena acting reminds me of Milah's.
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Postby HappyEndings » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:24 am

Her Mayorness wrote:Haha, what did I say. I knew Zelena would deliver a similar speech to Regina. I'd only thought they'd repeat the wedding scene, but this is even better.

Regina is so going to be beaten up. For the moment.
Zelena acting reminds me of Milah's.


Yea, I really don't like the red and green nor the person playing the Witch her accent is really hard for me to understand. :(
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Re: [3x16] It's Not Easy Being Green

Postby eleruen » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:46 am

HappyEndings wrote:
Her Mayorness wrote:Haha, what did I say. I knew Zelena would deliver a similar speech to Regina. I'd only thought they'd repeat the wedding scene, but this is even better.

Regina is so going to be beaten up. For the moment.
Zelena acting reminds me of Milah's.


Yea, I really don't like the red and green nor the person playing the Witch her accent is really hard for me to understand. :(


Mayorness-I vaguely remember you saying that, and well done for predicting the parallel :D

HappyEndings-I don't understand American accents sometimes either, especially the actors who mumble, or at least it seems like mumbling to me *cough**Neal**cough*Ruby*cough*Hook*. I often have to re-watch some scenes to see what they are saying.
Hopefully we will find out the significance of the red and the green soon. Green=WW's skin, and red is often associated with evil, but who knows there could be more to these colors than we presume...but right now these colors seem to be a bit OTT, we already know that there will be show down, and who is who.
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Re: [3x16] It's Not Easy Being Green

Postby The Wiz of Oz » Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:40 am

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Lightning-Round12-Kitsis-Horowitz-1080030.aspx

Will we meet Zelena's father?
Kitsis:
Absolutely. In fact, you will meet Zelena's father and find out the answer to who the Wizard is this weekend.
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Re: [3x16] It's Not Easy Being Green

Postby Justcurious » Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:57 am

Yay, we (briefly) see Tink again :D
I feel bad for Regina, she is so going to get her a** kicked hard.
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Postby HappyEndings » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:02 am

Sorry eleruen, I should have explained myself better I just don't like the red hair with the green skin nor the accent. Personally I also don't think she is that great of an actress if you compare Regina and her together Regina does circles around her. I think the person playing the Witch was a poor pick like Neal was for Bea imo.
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Re: [3x16] It's Not Easy Being Green

Postby Jennie » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:27 pm

The Wiz of Oz wrote:http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Lightning-Round12-Kitsis-Horowitz-1080030.aspx

Will we meet Zelena's father?
Kitsis:
Absolutely. In fact, you will meet Zelena's father and find out the answer to who the Wizard is this weekend.

Sounds like her father is indeed the Wizard. :cheers:


I know what y'all mean about accents. I've been known to watch my BBCAmerica shows with subtitles on so I don't have to keep rewinding and listening again. :mrgreen:

How about American Southern accents? I'm from the south and I still struggle with some Louisianna accents :lol:
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