[3x22] There's No Place Like Home Spoilers

Once Upon a Time spoilers for season 3.
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Postby Jennie » Wed May 07, 2014 5:31 pm

Jennie wrote:Love how the first promo above makes it look like Emma getting sucked through the portal is about the end and where they are going next season, when the second one above makes it pretty clear she (and Killian) goes through the time portal way before the end of the finale. Anything could happen next :lol:

I did pause the ABC promo to see if I could tell who was punching Killian and it looks like he's punching himself (or past Hook is punching present Killian)? Around the 18 second mark...on his ship maybe... Someone else please confirm this for me...


I've watched the promos a few more times and it's definitely Killian punching himself, but it's difficult to tell which one is past and which one is present.

How cool would it be if this is the reason that Hook was instantly attracted to Emma back when they first met. He sort of remembers seeing her before, but assumes it was a dream or something because of being punched by "himself". He could be the only one that remembers any of this "new" past because he went through the portal with her.

Captain Swan theorizing below cut:
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It would dovetail with why he "hoped it would be her" on the beanstalk when there were three other beautiful women too. It would explain why her betrayal on the beanstalk brought out the worst in him. This would explain how no matter how high she kept her walls, he never gave up on her.
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Re: [3x22] There's No Place Like Home

Postby Jennie » Thu May 08, 2014 2:02 pm

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-f ... n-3-702174

An unwanted trip to the past is in store for the season-three finale of Once Upon a Time.

Rumplestiltskin broke his promise to his fiancee Belle with a bit of trickery and sleight of hand, killing Zelena with the dagger and watching as her body shattered into pieces in the Storybrooke jail cell Regina put her in. As Zelena's body disappeared into thin air, unbeknownst to Emma and Co., a time portal opened even without Zelena present. In Sunday's two-hour closer, "Snow Drifts" and "No Place Like Home," Emma and Hook find themselves stuck in the Enchanted Forest of the past with any change threatening their existence and those around them.

"We really envisioned this to be a two-hour movie. It straddles the line between [being] self-contained and what we think is a satisfying climax to the year. All these questions that we've posed during the year will get answered in these final two hours," executive producer Eddy Kitsis tells The Hollywood Reporter.

Ahead of Sunday's finale, Kitsis and Adam Horowitz chat with THR about the aftermath of Zelena's defeat, the time portal to the past, Emma and Hook's "difficult" trek back to Storybrooke and hints on a possible new destination.

We've seen Emma and the gang go up against a number of foes over the past few seasons. How would you rate Zelena against the rest?


Edward Kitsis: She is the most wicked. What makes her formidable is that you could see that she is just this prodigy of magic. You just see just how super talented she is. But what makes her so formidable is that she has so much pain behind her and torture.

Adam Horowitz: We've been exploring many spokes of the wheel of evil and they each have their different personalities. Peter Pan had his own conniving, manipulative ways. And Cora with her familial issues that fueled her rage. Now with the Wicked Witch, we've come at her from a slightly different angle. It's all been fun in their own ways. We've been really enjoying Rebecca [Mader].

Kitsis: Rebecca has made her so formidable. We wrote the part for Rebecca. We knew we wanted to bring the Wicked Witch in this year and we knew it was Rebecca. We literally just called her and said "This is what we want to do" and she knocked it out of the park.

Is there another spoke in the wheel of evil you want to explore in the future?

Kitsis: One of the biggest evils we all have is the one inside us. That is always a spoke.

Horowitz: We said it all the way back in season one. Evil isn't born, it's made and there's always room on the wheel for another spoke. We may be seeing more of that.

Kitsis: And the question of what is evil? There's been lots of things presented to us as evil that we found have just been misunderstood.

It's been interesting to watch the "villains" becoming heroes, the most recent example being Regina. Is that dark element a chapter that's closed for them?

Horowitz: I don't think anyone has a chapter in their life they're ever completely done with. You overcome and get past things but they're always a part of you and they always make up who you are. Just in the last episode, where we saw Regina use light magic, that doesn't mean there's still darkness that's a part of her that she's done with. We saw Rumple, even with his darker impulses, doesn't mean that there isn't good in him as well.

Kitsis: Rumple promised Zelena he wasn't going to kill her, but at the same time when he proposed to Belle, that was genuine.

Let's talk about Regina's decision to spare Zelena when she locked her up in the cell. Will Regina regret not killing her when she had the chance?

Kitsis: The two hours will absolutely answer whether she regrets that decision. (Laughs.) And it will become very, very obvious.

Had Rumple not come in and killed Zelena, do you think she had a good shot at redeeming herself like Regina had hoped?


Kitsis: I think this is a show that when Adam and I created it, we wanted to say everyone had a shot at redemption. It was about hope. If Rumplestiltskin, the most selfish man in the world and someone who was a coward, can literally sacrifice his life and break the cycle of his family's cowardice which we saw in episode 11, I think everybody is capable of it. It's really a matter of whether you choose to do the hard work to get there.

What does a Belle and Rumple engagement look like? He's hiding a big secret from her and we know secrets never end well in Storybrooke.

Kitsis: Secrets never end well. (Joking.) I can tell you that his bachelor party is going to be in Atlantic City... As we said, Rumple's love for Belle is genuine but he also let us know that in their very first episode together "Skin Deep" that he's a very difficult man to love. There are a lot of complicated things going on in his head and we're just beginning to explore that. Next year, we'll understand a lot more what he's thinking.

Will Belle find out about Rumple killing Zelena?

Kitsis: We'll have to wait and see when she finds out. It could be this weekend, it could be next year. You'll have to watch Sunday night.

Horowitz: The other question related to that to ask is everybody thinks Zelena's in that jail cell. They're going to find out very quickly that she's not. What's that going to mean? That comes to a head pretty quickly this weekend.

At the moment, Emma is set on returning to New York to resume her life with Henry, but as we tee up the finale, Emma and Hook find themselves in a precarious situation: the Enchanted Forest of the past. How do they find themselves there?

Kitsis: We know that Zelena had a time travel spell, a time portal or a time hole. But last week we saw it enacted even though she was defeated. To me that being open is a bad sign for our residents of Storybrooke. This year, we started out with Emma in Neverland being a leader getting her son back but we find out emotionally that she still felt like an orphan and right now, her greatest memories are fake ones of being in New York. Emma is a character who's looking for home, but because she's never had one she doesn't know what it's like. That is why the finale is called "No Place Like Home" because we are going to have Emma ask that very question. And fitting during our Oz-themed run.

Hook wasn't happy when Emma said she was thinking of leaving town. What is he going to do to ensure that that doesn't happen?

Kitsis: He is getting fed up because it's like the entire world cannot resist my charms, why is one person I fall in love with so resistant to me. He is becoming frustrated because he has declared that he will win her heart and she has declared it's going to be very hard. They are going to be put in a lot of danger this week and we'll see if romance can even rear its head.... But I'd be depressed if it didn't.

There's a glimpse of Emma and Hook in period garb in the promo. Any hints you can share?


Horowitz: They're cos-playing at Comic-Con.

Kitsis: Yeah, they're either cos-playing at Comic-Con or they're up to some shenanigans.

Horowitz: I think it may be shenanigans.

Kitsis: Sometimes you have to go undercover. Sometimes it's just fun.

How difficult will it be for them to get back to Storybrooke?

Kitsis: I hope it's difficult or else it will be a very boring two hours.

Horowitz: There are many challenges if they want to return, not just to their present but to their present the way they remember it.

How much thought went into the naming of Snow and Charming's newborn son?

Kitsis: That will be answered this weekend. When people hear the name, they'll know why and how we came up with it.

It's been teased that the final moments of the finale will reveal where the show will go next. Anything you can divulge?

Kitsis: It is something we cannot wait and I hope to god it doesn't get spoiled.

Horowitz: I hope people are as excited about it as we are. It's something we'll look forward to talking to you about after. There's really no way to tease it beforehand without giving it away.

How different will the world be following the events of the finale?

Kitsis: You set up things in the beginning of the season and you hope to have certain things resolved, but I definitely think some of the characters are going to find themselves in happier situations than others.

Should we be worried about significant sacrifices or deaths?

Horowitz: You always have to worry about death.

Kitsis: Every day you wake up you should worry about death. That is what my mother taught me at a very young age.

Looking ahead to season four, have you honed in on how you'll bring in Michael Socha's Knave into the fold?

Horowitz:
We've had extensive discussions with the writers already...

Kitsis:
Mapping out next season.

Horowitz: We're very excited about the possibilities for Michael and all the characters.

Kitsis: He was a member of [Robin Hood's] Merry Men. We think he'll fit in well in the show.

Lastly, how would you describe the final two hours of the season?


Horowitz: Wish fulfillment.

Kitsis: Epic wish fulfillment.
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Re: [3x22] There's No Place Like Home

Postby Sam88 » Thu May 08, 2014 2:07 pm

The first sneak peek of the season finale!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB6hB30Uvgo
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Postby Jennie » Thu May 08, 2014 2:28 pm

Thanks Sam!!!!



Prince Charles and Princess Leia!!! OMG!
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Postby HappyEndings » Thu May 08, 2014 2:55 pm

How come King George isn’t there? Also, David isn’t really dressed like he was when he married Snow. That scene wasn't funny to me that is the 1st you would think of is a name if you are asked. :(

Maybe it is time I quit watching too old for stupid little details that should have been thought of good grief they thought of changing the their clothes. :shrug2:
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Postby The Wiz of Oz » Thu May 08, 2014 3:00 pm

HappyEndings wrote:How come King George isn’t there? Also, David isn’t really dressed like he was when he married Snow. That scene wasn't funny to me that is the 1st you would think of is a name if you are asked. :(


Emma and Hook r going back 2 when david and snow fell in love season 1 SNOW FALL
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Postby Aura Liuli » Thu May 08, 2014 3:09 pm

prince charles and princess leia? bwahahahahahahahha.

oh i certainly hope there's lots of these comical gems in these eps.
that small peek alone, makes me look forward to sunday.
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Postby Jennie » Thu May 08, 2014 3:19 pm

I don't think either of them expected to be greeted by the king. Neither have ever been to a royal wedding, right? (Steal/forge an invitation, steal some clothes...no one will even notice us) I find it so endearing that Killian is such a bad liar. He can keep a secret, but coming up with a lie on the spur of the moment is not so easy.
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Postby BoPeeps » Thu May 08, 2014 3:57 pm

I'm with you, Aura Liuli!
as was stated in the article:
"Sometimes it's just fun."

Too many viewers/Internet pundits/speculation gurus/incessant killjoys try to suck the fun out of everything. I think the comical gems are a huge part of the reason this show is still such a trip.

Yeah, there is always the doom of character death, and the grimness of fairy tale *reality* is always lurking but in a fantastical world of magic, things can always change at the whim of the creators.

That was a totally fun clip.
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Postby zakattack2209 » Thu May 08, 2014 4:29 pm

Right before she said "Leia" I was hoping she would say "Diana." Both would have been perfect. I am so happy that Emma is in EF attire. She looks great. it's nice to also see Hook out of his leather garb.
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Postby MrsKillianCassidy » Thu May 08, 2014 5:34 pm

King George is probably there somewhere, but it was only 45 seconds, not much time to show anyone important like Charming, let alone George.
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Postby Jennie » Thu May 08, 2014 7:21 pm

Their faces when he asks about Bae... :cry:
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Postby eleruen » Thu May 08, 2014 7:43 pm

I suggested a week ago on the theories/will zelena suceed in preventing regina's birth thread that the wedding we will see will be davids and abigails.
I was hoping that it wouldnt be true. I am praying that the dance we saw was an engagement dance rather than the wedding one, even though king midas said abigail is the bride.
Perhaps this is the change that emma thinks she may have caused when speaking to rumple.
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Postby Danielsgrl03 » Thu May 08, 2014 7:56 pm

How much you want to bet they name the baby Charles after Hook's fake EF name for helping save them in the past.
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Postby Jennie » Thu May 08, 2014 8:37 pm

I don't think this has been posted here yet...

http://www.accesshollywood.com/once-upo ... e5otrVu.99

“Once Upon a Time’s” Emma Swan and Captain Hook are about to face some very Marty McFly-style problems in the ABC drama’s season finale on Sunday, when they are transported back in time.

As the two work to get back to the future – and Storybrooke – they will have to walk a careful line to avoid altering the past.

With the two-hour Season 3 finale just days away, Executive Producers Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis spoke with AccessHollywood.com about the dangers Jennifer Morrison and Colin O’Donoghue’s characters are set to face. They also hinted at what’s next for Robert Carlyle’s Rumple, who once again, showed how strong the pull is to his dark side.

AccessHollywood.com: Our poor Zelena, who was so wonderful at being wicked, you’ve turned her into smoke. Is she gone for good?
Adam Horowtiz: She is dead, but as you’ve seen on the show, when characters die, it doesn’t mean we can’t always see them again in a flashback in some other form.
Eddy Kitsis: And, to be fair, we never saw her body.

Access: No, we saw a [porcelain] one.
Eddy: So one never knows with her. She’s very wicked and she proves to be very good at certain things.

Access: How fun was it for you guys and for Lana [Parrilla] as well, to transform her character, Regina, like you did in last week’s episode [where she used light magic to win]?
Eddy: It was fun, because I think for us, that was the 64th episode of the show and so for us, we felt like it was earned. We’ve seen her go on and off the bottle of evil, but in this moment, we felt like it was a really great thing and one of my [favorite moments of the episode], was the quiet moment she took in her vault where you just see her smile because she won. The whole thing started because the Evil Queen never felt like she could win. She never won against Snow White, she could never win – evil never wins, villains don’t get happy endings, and in that moment, we just saw a really private, quiet moment, where you see how far she came and I think for us, as writers, to get to spend 64 episodes, I think it was great because it was earned.

Access: Emma and Hook go back in time in the Enchanted Forest this week, and I know you guys are ‘80s fans, so you’ve probably watched every ‘Back to the Future’ movie. We know Marty McFly had trouble when he disrupted the space-time continuum.
Eddy: Did he!

Access: So tell me, what kind of troubles are Emma and Hook are going to run into?
Adam: Well first, on that front, if we haven’t already said it, Episode 19’s title, ‘A Curious Thing,’ was our homage to the Huey Lewis ‘Power of Love’ song.
Eddy: From ‘Back to the Future.’ … For me and Adam, one of our favorite scripts ever and the one we wished we wrote was ‘Back to the Future.’
Adam: Yeah, it’s an amazing screenplay.
Eddy: I would say that this week, as you just said, time travel is tricky business and the littlest thing can have the biggest consequences, so we hope our heroes…. don’t touch anything.
Adam: And don’t do any sports betting.

Access: Is there something they need to be wary of, like a sports book?
Eddy: Everything!
Adam: There’s a lot of things they need to be wary of and to us, that’s some of the fun of this finale. Every step and every turn’s a minefield.
Eddy: Yeah, and what’s fun for us about the finale is we really did write it like a two-hour movie. It is not two episodes back to back, so I think fans watching it will see the fun of a two-hour movie.

Access: I love that you’re pairing Hook and Emma together. Is this going to help them grow closer? She’s so concentrated on solving the problems, and on her son. She doesn’t get to explore her feelings for Hook or think about them too much.
Eddy: No, I think she doesn’t and I think that Emma is very conflicted, because her happiest moment turned out to be fake, which was her and Henry in New York. And as we’ve seen this year, she started out in Neverland saying, ‘I feel like an orphan,’ and last week she said, ‘I wanna go back to New York,’ because she wants to [leave] all this behind, because Emma is a character that is looking for home, but because she’s never had one, she doesn’t know what it is and I think this two hours is really going to answer this question and speak to that. … We’ve seen that Emma’s had really bad relationships. Every time she lets her wall down, she gets hurt and so we’ll see if Hook can knock that down.

Access: Is he still the love sick puppy?
Adam: I would not characterize him as a lovesick puppy. I would characterize him as a man who [has] faced some very difficult challenges this season, and certainly, in this finale, [you’re] not gonna see someone whose lovesick. What you’re gonna see, I think, is a man who is forced into a very tricky situation that will require some heroism and will require some big choices.
Eddy: I think also, as far as lovesick, I think Hook is a gentleman and he has basically declared that, ‘I’m going after you and I’m going to win your heart,’ and I think he’s at a point now where he’s beginning to get frustrated because how can his charms not have melted her by now.

Access: So, Rumple – how dangerous is he now that he’s back to his old ways?
Eddy: I think, as he once told us, he is a difficult man to love, and you know, it’s interesting, he kind of lives in the gray area. Instead of dark magic or light magic, his code is gray, because we saw that Zelena offered him to go back in time and never have given his son up and live a great life and he chose to avenge his son and kill her, but at the same time, that proposal is real. His feelings for Belle [are] real, but he is a very, very tricky, tricky man.

Access: Finally, can we talk about William Shatner Tweeting about your show?
Adam: Can we talk about how awesome that is.

Access: Have you interacted with him? How does that make you feel?
Adam: It was an honor and it was unbelievable when he started talking about the show and reached out. We contributed some things to his charity after interacting with him and we’ve chatted via Twitter a few times. He says he wants to live Tweet the finale and we are just honored that Capt. Kirk--
Eddy: We are beyond honored. We can’t even believe it’s real, because being such huge fans of William Shatner, to have him actually take an interest in the show is so overwhelming to us that it makes our heads spin and it makes us giggle and cry and scream.

Access: Does it make you think, maybe we need a grandfather figure on our television program?
Eddy: Or we need a captain.

Access: Another one.
Eddy: Always.
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Postby The Wiz of Oz » Thu May 08, 2014 8:48 pm

It nice to know even a known popular media outlet sees Hook as a love sick puppy dog
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Postby Jennie » Fri May 09, 2014 12:45 am

The Wiz of Oz wrote:It nice to know even a known popular media outlet sees Hook as a love sick puppy dog


:lol: This was the part I was paying attention to:
Adam: I would not characterize him as a lovesick puppy. I would characterize him as a man who [has] faced some very difficult challenges this season, and certainly, in this finale, [you’re] not gonna see someone whose lovesick. What you’re gonna see, I think, is a man who is forced into a very tricky situation that will require some heroism and will require some big choices.
Eddy: I think also, as far as lovesick, I think Hook is a gentleman and he has basically declared that, ‘I’m going after you and I’m going to win your heart,’ and I think he’s at a point now where he’s beginning to get frustrated because how can his charms not have melted her by now.


I guess I like Killian so much because he reminds me of some of my favorite classic romantic leading men: Darcy, Thornton, even Han Solo. He's not any one of these characters, but has traits of all of them. He's not a "lovesick puppy" any more than Emma is an "ice queen". Those are negative, overly-simplified descriptions of their characterizations, imo.
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Re: [3x22] There's No Place Like Home Spoilers

Postby Aura Liuli » Fri May 09, 2014 8:47 am

" Did you notice that in episode 3x11 the song playing in emma's radio (when hook bangs the door) is "Lou Reed - Charley's girl". And in the Sneak Peek Hook is called prince "Charles" which is an informal version to the name..."(from hainechan on tumblr)

here A&E are revealing the future via the past, since it's also the song we hear when first introduced to neal in 2x1.
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Postby Jennie » Fri May 09, 2014 12:06 pm

cool ^^
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